Tuesday, March 30, 2021

The military and military values that ultimately save us all

It is a deeply reductionist thing to say about our civilization and culture but, other than a few sociobiologists and maverick nationalists or ethnostatists who admit the biological origin of our social behavior, no one speaks of it. In spite of the many different value systems developed by humans---mostly due to wills to power---human nature has been and remains genetically ethnocentric, even xenophobic, as well as being kin-centered, gender defined, age-graded, heterosexual marriage-making, hierarchical, with group-selection as the primary unit of selection, followed by individual-selection. People instinctively know that the biological origin of our social behavior is true, although it has become politically incorrect to say it, and that taboo, ironically, is itself the result of biological competition consciously or unconsciously hiding real motives.

In the long history of human beings the military and military values were the last refuge, the final resort, which allowed us ultimately to survive and reproduce successfully. Peaceful times come, but the final resort, the last refuge, has always been the willingness of humans to defend their group in armed competitions with other human beings, ultimately for survival and reproductive success. This has not changed in all of history.

But the West has changed, the West no longer sees that the military and military values remain the last refuge, the final resort. The recent fad of defunding local police are an offshoot of this suicidal behavior. We still need the core military values of loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, and personal courage---preferably for every man, even nonmilitary men. Movements like cultural Marxism (demanding equality for the unequal), radical feminism (demanding biologically unnatural roles for women), homosexuality (demanding biologically unnatural sexual life styles) and postmodern relativism (demanding a biologically unnatural relativity of values), go directly against real human nature and destroy the military and military values that ultimately save us all.

Monday, March 29, 2021

How traditional religions can be transformed to save them

 Maybe the magnificent beauty alone of the church buildings will save them from the slow fall of Christianity which has been dying as materialism increasingly explains the former mysteries of religion. Change is reality, but so is retaining the best of the past. That is also the way evolution works. The human body and brain evolved by retaining the fish, reptilian and mammalian brain. That is conservatism in action.

Conservatism is vitally important in the lives of human beings and human cultures, retaining what was long developed is important to humans and to human survival. The culture of Christianity is virtually baked into Western civilization, but it can be transformed, just as Christianity retained but transformed Judaism, Odinism, and the pagan Greeks and Romans.

Odin could be called the first Western Faustian man seeking knowledge and power at all costs. But being Faustian, Western knowledge has moved on from Odin to where we can now see that the path to real Godhood is through material evolution, with help from science.

The Christian world has disparaged the idea of becoming God as being highly blasphemous. Traditional religions have demanded that their God be spiritual and beyond the vulgar and evil material world, the desires of the material flesh are to be blocked or overcome in order to see the God Within.

But the Inward Path to the God Within of Christ (and Buddha) can be retained and now seen as the first symbolic experience of the real Godhood reached through the Outward Path of material evolution. This is explained in the Twofold Path of theological materialism. The Twofold Path conservatively does not reject either paganism or Christianity. We can actually become Gods by affirming the material evolution to ascending levels of supermaterial Godhood, which is the transformed and evolved Godhood of the great religions.

Inward path religion needs now to enter the Evolutionary Outward Path stage, while retaining the traditional Inward Path. Then we can keep our magnificent church buildings and our magnificent religions.

Saturday, March 27, 2021

The intellectualization of crap as culture

At least by the time of Post-World War II abstract expressionism we can compare modern art to other fields of modern culture and see the general intellectualization of crap as culture. We now have postmodernism, Marxism, feminism, multiculturalism, which are all absurdness, lies, and undisguised wills to power astoundingly taught in virtually all our schools and reflected throughout the media which are infected with the same mass delusional state and cheering it on. How did we become so sick?

The explanation that seems plausible to me for the freakish victory of postmodernism, Marxism, feminism, etc. in the academic world and in the media is that the relativistic power philosophy of postmodernism was not successfully countered by the traditional conservatives because they could not fully accept their best defense, which is the biological origin of our social behavior, taught by the scientific synthesis of sociobiology. They could not even affirm religion as essentially having been a better way to socially bond groups together (altruism) for successful survival and reproduction. Traditionalists could not see beyond their definition of God as being outside the world of biological power and material desires, and so postmodernism won the academic power war.

This cultural sickness has got to change if we want to save the West. Real human nature has almost nothing to do with what business schools, political science departments, postmodernism, and libertarianism are teaching. Real human nature remains gender defined, heterosexual, ethnocentric, even xenophobic, among other traditional things, with group-selection as the primary unit of successful selection and survival---super-individualism and hedonism do not much apply.

It is a conservative and bio-political transformation---not revolution---that is coming, eventually, a return to real human nature, which can bring about an ethnopluralism of ethnostates, where different ethnic groups can politically and culturally conduct themselves according to who they actually are, in their own states even within our Democratic Republics, perhaps with only a few amendments to our constitutional separation of powers and states.

Thursday, March 25, 2021

They are killing our country and our culture

 Our actually senile president has appointed his constantly giggling vice president to deal with the crisis on the Mexican border, which was caused by the actions of the president himself and his foolish but dangerous handlers. These leftists are treacherous and even traitorous but they try to pass themselves off as great humanitarians as they open our borders to poor diseased Mexican and South American migrants, at the bidding of even more treacherous businessmen looking for cheap labor, and perfidious democratic operators looking to secure new leftist voters. They are killing our country and our culture with their cultural Marxism, while they attack traditional families and promote instead lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer rights. Even when they are white they seek to overcome and replace whites and white culture with nonwhites and nonwhite culture. And the corrupt media and the schools are their cheerleaders. What can we do to stop them in a democracy when these dangerous leftist fools commit voter fraud to win?

Human nature has been and remains genetically ethnocentric, even xenophobic, as well as being kin-centered, gender defined, age-graded, heterosexual marriage-making, hierarchical, with group-selection as the primary unit of selection, followed by individual-selection. The real challenge of ethnocentric and xenophobic human nature is to move beyond the supremacism that has plagued it. This suggest that if the noble statesman of the future see guardianship of the state as trying to avoid sedition, discord, and civil war, they will honor the biological origin of social behavior by taking on the damaging racial competitions disguised as calls for equality etc., and advocate the creation of an ethnopluralism of ethnostates for all groups, black, white, brown, yellow, or red, in harmony with real human nature. Then they will protect each ethnostate from marauding imperialists, global businesses, supremacists, chosenists, Marxists, etc. An ethnopluralism of ethnostates could be established, legally, in the United States with our constitutional separation of powers and states.

Wednesday, March 24, 2021

Civilizing the beast, the last metamorphose

Thinking of Nietzsche's three symbols of metamorphoses, the camel (Christian-Platonic asceticism), the lion (rebellious willing), and the child (new value creator). I would add a last as the broncobuster, the horse trainer, the civilizer of the beast.

The camel is the will to nothingness goal of the Inward Path to the God within of Traditional religions. For example, the eastern experience of nirvana, and the beatific experience of heaven or the Father Within of Christ, is a peak experience in the physical mind, after much ascetic discipline, in blocking or overcoming material desires—a will to nothingness. The lion defies fixed philosophies but does so out of rebellion and goes about rebelliously creating fixed philosophy. The child represents the creator of new values assuming there are no fixed values, which is Nietzsche's philosophical preference.

The problem with the symbol of the child thinking there are no fixed values (like the postmodernists) is that there are fixed values, so I would add another metamorphose to the symbols of the camel, lion, or child; I would add the broncobuster, the horse trainer, the civilizer of the beast.

As long as we are alive every cell in our body demands survival and reproductive success. This natural activation can be blocked, subverted, or it can be unknown to us, but it can't legitimately be intellectually or instinctively denied. The biological origin of our social behavior as empirically explained by the evolutionary sciences and sociobiology actually ends the intellectual defense of postmodern relativism. Generally speaking any existing values come from the various social and cultural methods we try (including postmodernism) as attempts to biologically and genetically advance ourselves, consciously or unconsciously.

Evolution moves inevitably in a pattern, even though it has its random elements, and the pattern has a discernible direction, in spite of instances of stagnation and retreat, toward “higher and higher more effective living forms,” as Cattell put it. But even without acknowledging an inward purpose, evolution has been moving toward more efficient forms, more complexity, with occasional stops and side-turnings along the way.

I believe we are aided in this direction by an inward, purely physical, activation of the Will-To-Godhood, or Tirips, which seeks Godhood by materially activating life to evolve toward Godhood, working along with the shaping of outside evolution and selection.

When we define evolving toward higher and higher forms, always moving toward ascending levels of Godhood, the goal of materially evolving to supermaterial Godhood gives natural purpose and direction to modern life and culture, and it need not deprive us of either science or religion. We train and ride the horse of natural biological evolution.

Saturday, March 20, 2021

We have no choice but to try to stop America from committing suicide

Propaganda and brainwashing by the media and the schools has been destroying American culture at an increasing rate, which may have already made it impossible now to recover. Virtually nothing has been done to stop this destruction.

The media and the schools promote the mass psychosis of cultural Marxism (demanding equality for the unequal), radical feminism (demanding biologically unnatural roles for women), homosexuality (demanding biologically unnatural sexual life styles) and postmodern relativism (demanding a biologically unnatural relativity of values).

The media and the schools have destroyed all the traditional elements of white Western order, including the ethics and morals of religion, art and education. The Big Media has become wealthy creating, promoting T.V. shows, movies, and computer games that celebrate gross violence, hedonism, immorality, transgenderism, etc, even as they also create, promote, and feature cultural Marxism. Demographically they have been successful in taking away the cultural reasons and incentives for having children and a normal natural life: whites are now dying faster than being born.

The media and the schools preach values that are opposite real human nature: humans are genetically ethnocentric, even xenophobic, as well as being kin-centered, gender defined, age-graded, heterosexual marriage-making, hierarchical, with group-selection as the primary unit of selection, followed by individual-selection. The media and the schools preach that these human traits are evil. But when real human nature is suppressed rather than bonded and affirmed, all hell breaks loose. What really happens in reality, hidden beneath the multicultural and egalitarian lies, is a zero sum game where one race rises at the expense of another.

America and the world needs to be rid of the various versions of imperialism, whether financial, religious or racial. A United States of independent states, or ethnostates, defensively federated, and a Europe and Asia of thousands of ethnostates concerned with true human nature and future human evolution is the future that we need. 

Friday, March 19, 2021

The "cancel culture" movement is a disguised cancel people movement

The“cancel culture” movement, like the Black Lives Matter movement, is more than rabble-rousing Marxist claptrap, the cancel culture movement like the Black Lives Matter movement is a disguised cancel people movement, that is, cancel the white creators of the culture.

Culture is mainly the result of the biological origin of social behavior. Affirming the biological origin of social behavior is an antidote to the often absurd abstractions of 19th and 20th century ideologies or even to traditional claims of moral superiority. The biological origin of social behavior suggests that real kin and ethnic-centered human nature leads naturally to regionalism, localism, conservatism, and eventually an ethnopluralism of ethnostates.

Then we might be rid of these dangerous cultural disguises for canceling people or canceling ethnic groups which has plagued us for centuries.

Wednesday, March 17, 2021

Before running for political office politicians should be asked to define human nature

 Before running for political office politicians should be asked to define human nature. Even though, being politicians, they would probably give demagogic answers that appeal to popular desires the vital question would at least be put on the table.

We have choices within determined paths, like a boulder rolling down a mountain, as E.O. Wilson once put it. The invention of free will probably came about to advocate cultural behavior that went against real human nature, consciously or unconsciously.

Modern liberalism is about 100 percent on the 30% side of nurture and conservatism is more or less on the 70% nature side. Liberalism wants the government to move toward socialism/communism, which ends up taking away human freedom, while conservatism wants unchecked individual freedom, especially for capitalism (libertarianism), which tends to create societies ruled or controlled by people of great wealth that end up taking away human freedom.

If we look a little deeper at what that 70% nature side is telling us about human nature, the science of sociobiology and common sense show us that human nature has been affirmed throughout human history to this day as being genetically kin-centered, gender defined, age-graded, heterosexual, marriage-making, hierarchical, ethnocentric, territorial, and even xenophobic, and religious-making, among other things, with group-selection as the primary unit of successful selection, followed by individual selection.

Real human nature suggests that conservative ethnostates and an ethnopluralism of ethnostates are the best political configuration for humans beings to live within. An ethnopluralism of ethnostates or regions could even be established legally in the United States with our constitutional separation of powers and states, protected by federalism. 

A series of Supreme Court decisions now allow almost any perversion of human nature, people are legally “free” to chose whatever sexuality, whatever odd version of marriage, whatever political structure that fits their short-term fancy. The modern liberal principle of tolerance for perversions of real human nature of every kind has all but destroyed Western civilization. 

No such freedom exists within a largely determined human nature. Real human nature as a grounding to harmonize human actions needs to be affirmed if the West is to survive.

Tuesday, March 16, 2021

Where Nietzsche and his postmodern followers went wrong

The will to power is a secondary activation to the will to evolve in the material world to ascending levels of supermaterial Godhood, which activates the will to power for that essential purpose, like the pleasure from eating food is secondary to the need of food for successful survival and reproduction.

"Evolution moves inevitably in a pattern, even though it has its random elements, and the pattern has a discernible direction, in spite of instances of stagnation and retreat, toward higher and higher more effective living forms," all the way to ascending levels of Godhood. As long as we are alive every cell in our body demands life and survival and reproductive success, with the zenith of success as evolving to Godhood. This natural activation can be blocked, subverted, or it can be unknown to us, but it can't legitimately be intellectually or instinctively denied.

If the epistemology and ontology of the philosophers can't find this to be real and true, if the intellect can find no direction or purpose to life or can find no meta-narrative to life, then there is something wrong with the way the intellect finds truth.

The purpose of life is far more than Nietzsche's directionless will to power and the nihilistic relativity of his postmodern followers.

Monday, March 15, 2021

Intellectuals of the old far right and the new far right (from the archive

Intellectuals of the old far right had respect for Western science, men like Raymond Cattell, Richard Lynn, Roger Pearson, John Baker, and Wilmot Robertson respected the Enlightenment. But in the last several years the far right has seen the rise of the Traditionalist School and the works of Julius Evola and Rene Guenon who rejected rationalism and materialism in favor of a Vedic-Hindu, neo-Platonist worldview that disparaged Darwinist material evolution and downplayed the biological origin of social behavior in favor of spiritualism over naturalism.

Was it the deep desire for an all encompassing religion missing from Western science that drew the new Alt-right away from the science-oriented intellectuals of the old far right, or did the Traditionalist School de-emphasizing of race and genetics appeal to the new Alt-right as a way to escape the hatred of racism across the media-driven culture? It was probably some of both.

The new intellectual far right seems to have ignored or is unaware of work of research psychologist Raymond Cattell and his religion from science, Beyondism, or my religious development of theological materialism.

Theological materialism is thoroughly Western and proud of it, following the Western path in centering on science and reason. But unlike the Enlightenment, theological materialism affirms religious tradition transformed rather than rejected.

It is difficult to find ecumenical commonality between the ethnocentric proto-Indo-European pagan religion and the traditional Judea-Christian religions. Rather than getting lost in comparing the symbols of lost spiritualism it is better for us to return to the material world and find our religious connections that way.

The eastern experience of Buddhist nirvana, and the beatific experience of heaven, or the Father Within of Christ, were just that, a peak experience in the physical mind after much ascetic discipline in blocking or overcoming material desires. We can conservatively retain that preliminary Inward Path experience of the God Within, but it needs to be transformed in the Outward Path of material evolution to real Godhood.

We can look beneath thoughts and feelings and find the multifarious processes of the instincts activating life to evolve toward the supreme survival success of Godhood. This activation exists within material life and is never separate from it, and adapts and evolves within the environments life finds itself living in---there is no spiritual/material duality here. The activation of material life toward evolving to Godhood is the unchanging constant as natural selection and evolution make new discoveries and present new challenges as we evolve toward ascending levels of Godhood.

While I respect some of the conclusions of the Traditionalist School (Guénon and Evola---and now Aleksandr Dugin) the Traditionalist School does not find science (a jewel of the West) nearly as important as Eastern spiritualism (a jewel of the East) and they reject and want to destroy the Western world (and its great genetic potential?) due to its gross materialism. Among American followers of Dugin, patriotism seems unfairly lost in seeing only the flaws of the West, which are redeemable. For example, an ethnopluralism of ethnostates or regions could be established, legally, in the United States with our constitutional separation of powers and states, protected from marauding imperialists, supremacists, Marxists, chosenites, and money grubbers, by a defensive federalism.

Saturday, March 13, 2021

Has America gotten the president it deserves?

Biden is a senile fool and the worst president in all of American history. Every move Biden makes is destroying America, cheered on by the corrupt media and foolish liberals brainwashed by the immoral schools.

So far Biden has been destroying thousands of American jobs on behalf of climate change that is mainly due to cycles in nature and not caused by man, Biden is banning “discrimination” against any man who identifies as a woman and allowing them to compete in women’s sports, Biden is inflaming racial tensions between the white and black community by declaring whites as racist but not blacks, and Biden is taking the country toward open-borders which will change the culture of America because as the ethnic group or race changes the culture changes.

Has America gotten the president it deserves? I suppose it has, but I believe that noble statesman of the future will honor the biological origin of social behavior and advocate the creation of an ethnopluralism of ethnostates for all groups, black, white, brown, yellow, or red, in harmony with real human nature. Then with federalism they will protect each ethnostate from marauding imperialists, global businesses, supremacists, chosenists, Marxists, etc. An ethnopluralism of ethnostates could be established, legally, in the United States with our constitutional separation of powers and states.

Thursday, March 11, 2021

The conservative's didn't or couldn't make real conservative changes

Modern conservatism did not pivot away from the big imperial state it created to win against Soviet communism. And so the neoconservative's arose with the blessing of William F Buckley, with their purges against people like Pat Buchanan and the Old Right's objections to the central state.

A conservative pivot away from the big-state military industrial complex should have been a state rights movement toward ethnostates. Evolutionary conservatism believes that if real kin and ethnic-centered human nature was allowed to be what it is, it would naturally lead to regionalism, localism, general conservative values, eventually ethnostates, and finally an ethnopluralism of ethnostates for all groups, black, white, brown, yellow, or red, with each ethnostate protected from marauding imperialists, global businesses, supremacists, Marxists, etc., and defended by a defensive federalism. An ethnopluralism of ethnostates could be established legally in the United States with our constitutional separation of powers and states.

Human nature has been affirmed throughout human history to this day as being universally kin-centered, gender defined, ethnocentric, even xenophobic, among other conservative things, with group-selection as the primary unit of successful selection followed by individual selection. This has to be taken into account when we try to balance the ethics of states and individuals.

But the conservatives didn't or couldn't make these real conservative changes mainly because they could not accept the biological origin of social behavior.

Monday, March 08, 2021

There exists a biological teleology

The hopeless relativity of values that is promoted by modern philosophy is untrue and unreal. There exists a biological teleology, a design and purpose in the material world, flowing through all life, which offers freedom but within a determined biological teleology.

I ask why does “life” “live?” Why is life animate rather than inanimate? Why does life have metabolism, growth, reproduction? Why doesn’t life just sit there doing nothing? Why has life persisted time and again in evolving from the simple to the complex under the most extreme conditions?

It is more than an outward action or reaction, there is an inward vitalism working within and shaped by outside evolution. This is the activation of the will to life, and when it is amplified it is seen as the will-to-evolve-toward-Godhood. Evolution moves inevitably in a pattern, even though it has its random elements, and the pattern has a discernible direction, in spite of instances of stagnation and retreat, toward “higher and higher more effective living forms.”

This process of evolution is activated from within every cell of living bodies, which then react and adapt to the various outside environments that life lives in. This activation is the same activation that leads to the desire to successfully survive and reproduce. And this activation is a material/supermaterial activation, not spiritual.

The goal of evolving to Godhood need not deprive us of either science or religion. When Godhood is seen as a naturalistic and theological goal, the goal of evolution, then biology and theology need not settle for the empty spiritualism that Nietzsche detested. Nature and philosophy can be seen as life materially evolving toward ascending levels of Godhood.

Saturday, March 06, 2021

How we can have a grand material meta-synthesis of religion and science

The Hegelian view of history as an inevitable teleological unfolding is more real than the postmodern idea that all meta-narratives go nowhere, even if Hegel's zenith was a spiritualism that does not exist. But supermaterial Godhood does exist or can exist as a supermaterial object or objects at the zenith of material evolution.

We don't need to lose religion, Godhood, or morality, the biological origin of social behavior can be expanded to high culture, which may not create the world of idea-obsessed philosophers and ascetics but will create a real living natural world with the possibility of evolving all the way to ascending levels of real Godhood.

History and evolution are broadly moving toward Godhood, far beyond the ideal state defined by Marx, and not toward the non-material Spirit of Hegel, but toward ascending levels of supermaterial Godhood. But before we rush to the very human idea of "final" endings, evolution and devolution never end, there will always be gods and universes evolving, arriving, rising and falling.

With theological materialism we have nothing to lose but the fictions of the non-material, idea-obsessed postmodernists, the spiritualism of Hegel, and the non-biology of Marx. But we can have a grand material meta-synthesis of religion and science, along with ascending levels of real Godhood.

Politically and culturally the reconciliation of the individual, the group, and the world of different groups, means setting up or adapting existing states to an ethnopluralism of ethnostates, legally and nonviolently, in line with the real kin and ethnic preferences of real human nature. Than perhaps we can all get on with materially evolving toward Godhood.

Friday, March 05, 2021

Where did conservatism go wrong?

Before the split of conservatism in the 1980s when “First Things” defamed “Chronicles” magazine as being xenophobic, way back around the 1950's, at the beginning of the modern conservative movement, the foundation of real conservatism was purged from "conservatism" by people like William Buckley. That is, the largely biological origin of much of human social behavior, from which real conservatism rises, was defined as politically incorrect, bigoted, and even evil. Modern conservatism began to die even as it was beginning.

The consequences of drumming the modern biological aspects of social behavior out of the conservative movement has been very damaging and has given conservatism a bias against our deep history, and against science, which has kept many good minds away from the conservative movement; this could be the one thing that eventually dooms the conservative movement in the West.

But there is a universal conservatism which is the impulse or yearning among all people to conserve their culture, history and ethnic group or race. At the root of universal conservatism, or evolutionary conservatism as I call it, is the activation to conserve the gene pool of kin and ethnic group and the cultures they develop. Even "order," which is so important to Burke and Kirk, is put in place because orderly societies are more successful in survival and reproduction than disorderly societies.

Human nature evolved to prefer kin and ethnic group because those traits were more successful in survival and reproduction for individuals and groups. Even altruism, being for others, was created as the preference for kin and ethnic group; altruism weakens as we move out toward universalism, which is the main reason why communism and globalism don't work well and tend to use force to impose unnatural universal altruism.

Universal conservatism or deep-conservatism or evolutionary conservatism instinctively and reasonably calls for ethnostates and an ethnopluralism of ethnostates. That is where the impulses and yearnings of human nature are most naturally directed---it could be accomplished in an orderly and conservative way. In the U.S. with the growing variety of competing ethnic groups, each with different genetic pools and different agendas, we could, with our Constitutional separation of powers and states, legally and gradually develop an ethnopluralism of ethnostates, protected by federalism. That would affirm a true universal conservatism or evolutionary conservatism in harmony with what human nature actually is.

Wednesday, March 03, 2021

Tucker Carlson sounds like a woke liberal when he describes racism

Like the neoconservatives Tucker Carlson insists that “race and skin color” should not be included in conservatism or in American politics, like the political left he denies or is ignorant of the biological origin of social behavior. Carlson rightly advocates judging people by merit and he rightly affirms the protectionism and anti-interventionism of Trumpism, but he sounds like a woke liberal when he describes racism.

Since Biden was elected president the charges of “systemic racism” have been increasingly hurled at whites by the left and by the media which is then hotly denied by conservatives, and both sides completely deny the biological origin of social behavior. The blacks and the left won't admit that there is any racism behind their motives any more than the whites will admit any systemic white racism, and racism continues to be confounded with supremacism.

Real human nature has always preferred kin and related ethnic group  because this preference was successful in survival and reproduction, so it was instinctively, genetically, retained within basic human nature. Ethnic groups of related genes have numerous reasons for cooperating more successfully and harmoniously than with other ethnic groups. As Edward O. Wilson said, "The genes hold culture on a leash. The leash is very long, but inevitably values will be constrained in accordance with their effects on the human gene pool.”

It would be far more realistic to admit unassimilating differences rather than talking about the superiority/inferiority of different races. As one courageous historian put it, what formerly divided us can put us back together again. A true natural rights or civil rights movement would promote ethnostates and an ethnopluralism of ethnostates for all groups, black, white, brown, yellow, or red, with each ethnostate protected from marauding imperialists, global businesses, supremacists, Marxists, etc. Ethnostates could be established legally in the United States with our constitutional separation of powers and states..Now that is conservatism.